Interview with Paul Smith, Author of Integral Christianity: The Spirit’s Call to Evolve

I am really excited to bring this particular podcast episode to you guys this week! It’s a timely release, this being traditionally Holy Week, when Christians around the world reflect on Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection. It is possible to understand this powerful story as representing the death of deeper, higher orders of Truth at the hands of lower, more shallow truths. Indeed, we see Jesus as a shining example of life lived in the heat of the friction between what we see as the default position of biological evolution and the alternative expression of Creative Evolution. My own personal relationship with Jesus is revealed as I seek daily guidance in understanding my mechanical nature and in allowing my inner creativity to rise to the surface.

So in honor of Holy Week, I am bringing you guys my conversation with Reverend Paul Smith. He has been a pastor at Broadway Church in Kansas City, MO for almost 50 years, and he is the author of a new book called Integral Christianity: The Spirit’s Call to Evolve. Paul and I have a special connection: his church is the first church I ever attended. Born in Kansas City, I went to Broadway Church with my parents until we all moved to Arkansas when I turned 6. Since that time Paul and I both have walked the path of creative evolution, and we both have ended up embracing Christianity in a way few today dare speak about. Have a listen to our dialogue, and by all means pick up a copy of Paul’s book today! E-mail me or comment on the post below if you have any thoughts about our discussion.

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  1. Introduction — 00:00 – 02:12
  2. The Three Faces of God — 02:12 – 11:45
  3. Reading the Bible as a Stage-Development Chronicle — 11:45 – 15:25
  4. Jesus, Lazarus and Creative Evolution — 15:25 – 26:03
  5. Where We Were, Where We Are, and Where We’re Going — 26:03 – 33:45
  6. Paul’s Background — 33:45 – 42:07
  7. Closing — 42:07 – 44:12


  • Wonderful interview. Thanks for posting this. I'm so excited to see this type of book published (going to order a copy in my next monthly amazon book order). :) I've been on a quest recently to dive deeper into my own personal relationship with God (mostly using the meditation/prayer techniques I've read from Merton and Keating). Of course, it's a constant struggle…especially in releasing my attachment to results and trying to discover the value of the process. But then, no one said evolution is an easy, painless process, right?

  • Philip and Paul, I cannot tell you how touched I am in listening to this interview. When I was in medical school forty years ago it was my privilege to meet weekly with Paul and a group of other men, which began my conscious evolution, though I had no idea where it would lead. Then about ten years ago it was my privilege to begin exploring the philosophy taught by Ken Wilber with my son, Philip. How wonderful, then, to listen to this evolution come full circle in this interview. Thank you.

  • Philip

    Cool stuff. Thanks for all the good info. and good thoughts.

    Hope you had a chance to see "the sea that thinks" before they pulled it off youtube.

    I was wondering if you've read "How to Lose Your Mind in Under an Hour" by David Noble.
    It might be up your alley so to speak. He's made it available as a free download at lulu.

    Be well


  • Thanks for the post for writing “Interview with Paul Smith, Author of Integral Christianity: The Spirit

  • Philip,
    Wonderful interview. My experience with the book is bit different than yours, in that I'll read 4 sentences and then be off in glorious contemplation — so I keep "putting it down", but for very satisfying reasons! I plan to teach the book as a course at my Unity church in Austin, and had a sweet email exchange with Paul about that. A big blessing in this interview is y'alls discussion about "detachment" and "dis-identifying" — the latter being a much better descriptor of what the true task is, and a big help to me.
    Finally, what a beautiful anointing Paul gave to you at the end. It's as good as anything a young Catholic priest could get from the Pope.
    Peace be with you,

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